During the run-up to and aftermath of the release of the DCEU's feature film
The Flash I tracked the discussion of the movie's box office prospects, and then its actual theatrical performance, as well as the fallout therefrom. For convenience's sake I have gathered together the items (some of them fairly short) on this one page, in order of appearance and dated--while also updating the links from posts referencing them so that they all lead here.
May 5, 2023
How Will
The Flash Do at the Box Office?
Until recently I have not discussed box office predictions much here, and when I have done so (especially when addressing predictions made in advance of the film's hitting theaters), have usually offered comment on other people's predictions rather than trying to come up with my own predictions from scratch.
The
main reason that I have been offering more predictions lately is that the Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU), and its component series', have run for so long by this point as to give us lots and lots of data in which even those of us who are not Hollywood insiders privy to test screenings and other such information can look for patterns.
We have less of that to go on in the case of the later, less prolific DC Extended Universe (DCEU), which has also been less consistent--and is
already slated for a much-publicized overhaul, meaning we will not get very much more to work with before having to rethink our assumptions. Still, prior to that we will get a few more films, notably a Blue Beetle movie "upgraded" from the original plan for a streaming release; a sequel to the DCEU's sole billion dollar-hit,
Aquaman; and of course,
The Flash.
The buzz for Aquaman 2 has been
surprisingly bad recently; the buzz for
The Flash, surprisingly good, spectacular even, such that one may wonder just how it will do at the box office when it comes out six weeks from now in mid-June.
Considering this my first thought is that the Barry Allen/Flash character simply does not have the cachet of the other members of the Justice League, while there is no special angle that would make this "more" than just "another superhero" movie (the way
Wonder Woman was, for example) in a market where there has been a
super-abundance of the super-hero stuff for as long as most of us can remember (perhaps not irrelevantly
including another incarnation of the Flash himself on the small screen in the Arrowverse for nine seasons), and "
fatigue" possibly setting in. Meanwhile star Ezra Miller's current public image is . . . unhelpful, enough so as to probably put off some of the audience.
Moreover,
The Flash will be going out into the most crowded summer box office season since before the pandemic. People will have
lots of other options--so many that if it happens that the movie gets good press late in the game and has the advantage of positive word-of-mouth the crowding will limit its "legs," as they will any other movie we get this year. (I will say it again: Top Gun 2 had a lot of advantages, but in the cheer-leading mood surrounding it just about no one wanted to admit that one of the most important was that it
had very little competition compared with releases in most summers.)
The result is that there is some room for the movie to "overperform," but from relatively low expectations.
Screen Rant's Cooper Hood, for example,
predicted $700 million as the movie's gross back in January, before the press became more bullish. Just going by my gut (on which I am more reliant here, again, because there is less to compare this movie to) I can picture the movie making that, or even more than that--but the billion-dollar mark seems to me beyond its reach. Will I have occasion to change my mind? I suppose I will find out in the coming weeks.
May 5, 2023
What Will
The Flash Make on its Opening Weekend? And Over its Longer Run? (A Box Office Prediction)
Seeing the way the buzz for
The Flash turned so positive--the way the media has got behind the movie--I wondered whether the audience was actually responsive, and
looked forward to Boxoffice Pro's long-range forecast accordingly.
Out today, it predicts an opening weekend in the $115-$140 million range for
The Flash, on the way to the film eventually taking in $280-$375 million domestically. In short, there are expectations that--domestically at least--the film will do at least as well as Guardians of the Galaxy 3, and perhaps considerably better, especially over its fuller run. (Yesterday I predicted here that even fairly strong week-to-week holds from here on out would get Guardians 3 to just $330 million or so, about the middle of the range predicted for
The Flash.)
What would that imply for the global gross? The bigger pre-pandemic DCEU movies (namely
Man of Steel,
Superman vs. Batman,
Suicide Squad,
Wonder Woman,
Justice League and
Aquaman--all better analogies with
The Flash today than smaller productions like
Shazam and the pandemic release
The Suicide Squad, especially as the box office continues to normalize and the biggest movies are as strong a draw as ever they were), made from 50 to 70 percent of their money internationally.
Between
Boxoffice Pro's domestic range, and that figure, we get a very wide range for the possible global gross of from $550 million to almost $1.3 billion.
Of course, until recently the predictions I saw hewed closer to the bottom end of that range than the top--circa $700 million, which would not be far off the mark were the movie to do reasonably well in North America and simply match that abroad (e.g. take in a near-top-of-the-
Boxoffice Pro-range $350 million, and make the same overseas; or do a bottom-of-the-range $280 million but make one-and-a-half times that internationally). Still, in the past DCEU movies have, if often seen as disappointments relative to the "Marvel envy" expectations laid on them, still done better than that in real, inflation-adjusted terms. In fact, even in current dollars only two of the six first-rank DCEU movies failed to break the $700 million mark, while all of them blew past it by a considerable way in real terms. Even the lowest earner here,
Justice League, grossed almost $800 million when we adjust the dollar values of their year's release to April 2023 dollars, while in the same terms not one but three of the movies broke the billion-dollar barrier (alongside
Aquaman,
Superman vs. Batman and
Wonder Woman doing so), as another came pretty close (
Suicide Squad, with its $940 million+ gross back in 2016).
Selected DCEU Films, 2013-2018 (Current and Consumer Price Index-Adjusted April 2023 U.S. Dollars, Adjusted Figures in Parentheses)*
Man of Steel (2013)--Worldwide--$668 Million ($869 Million); Domestic--$291 Million ($378 Million)
Superman vs. Batman: Dawn of Justice (2016)--Worldwide--$871 Million ($1.1 Billion); Domestic--$330 Million ($416 Million)
Suicide Squad (2016)--Worldwide--$747 Million ($943 Million); Domestic--$325 Million ($410 Million)
Wonder Woman (2017)--Worldwide--$822 Million ($1.02 Billion); Domestic--$413 Million ($510 Million)
Justice League (2017)--Worldwide--$658 Million ($794 Million); Domestic--$229 Million ($276 Million)
Aquaman (2018)--Worldwide--$1.15 Billion ($1.39 Billion); Domestic--$335 Million ($404 Million)
Might
The Flash then not do better--perhaps much better?--than $700 million. Alas, the DCEU universe is not just in decline, but
on its way out, so that there is no build-up toward anything bigger and better such as likely helped some of the earlier films. It may also suffer the effects of bad press about the star, while facing a lot of summer competition.
I might add that good as its press is lately it falls short of the kind of cheer-leading I remember for Wonder Woman back in 2017.
All of this gives it more obstacles to overcome than the preceding films had, less with which to overcome them, and less to gain if it does accomplish the feat (such that even if a pleasantly surprised audience supplies good word-of-mouth it may only count for so much).
So let us let us play it safe and focus on the middle of the relevant ranges with regard to
The Flash's domestic gross, and that gross' share of the global total--about $330 million domestic, with somewhere around 60 percent of the revenue foreign, working out to a global gross the vicinity of $800-$850 million. Recognizing $550 million as the absolute rock bottom, and allowing some room for error at the high end (rounding up from 8.5 to 9), $900 million would seem a reasonable high end to the range--so that $600-$900 million is the broader range I have in mind for the time being, with $700-$850 million the more plausible range within that, the movie breaking the billion-dollar barrier still a long shot.
All the same, I do not doubt I will have more to say about this in the coming weeks as more information comes in--with, in fact, one angle on a possible long shot already germinating into its own post as I write this.
* I took the film's gross and adjusted from the prices of the film's year of release (e.g. 2013) to the prices of April 2023 (the latest now available).
May 19, 2023
Is
The Flash Going to Be the DCEU's
Skyfall?
There is a tedious predictability to the marketing of reboots--aspects of which tend to be fairly distasteful. One is the denigration of the old version of the franchise for the sake of talking up the new one.
"Didn't you just hate that?" the publicists say in that wheedling way.
Maybe some people didn't care for it. But not all of us. The whole point of the reboot, after all, is to capitalize on that earlier thing's success--which means the affection people had for it, which is also why they are taking this line. Their affection is why the brand name they are cashing in on means something, but their affection for the old version may be a barrier to their accepting a new one. The result is that to effectively exploit that affection they have to divert it--from the old thing to the new one.
Of course, this is not a permanent stance on their part. Because after all this nonsense has been used to establish the new version the franchise-runners go back to mining the old for more coin, the value of nostalgia for the old is too great a thing for them to ignore permanently.
Indeed, just a short time after trying to bury the old version to make way for the new they are apt to use the fondness people still have for the old version to
prop up the new, especially when it is not doing so well.
The James Bond franchise, which as the pioneer of the high-concept mode of filmmaking generally, and the action-adventure franchise as we know it in particular, has been on the cutting edge of movie-making and marketing in the past, remains so--pioneering this particular practice.
"Didn't you just hate that?" they said about the original EON Bond films as they tried selling people on the reboot. No, we didn't all hate it. But that was the line they used in promoting the new Daniel Craig versions, and the
claqueurs of the entertainment press helped sustain that narrative.
As it happened
Casino Royale ended up a hit. But the response to
Quantum of Solace,
at least to go by the prevailing narrative, was less ebullient. Meanwhile,
with MGM in financial trouble (for the umpteenth time,
but not the last), the next film was put on hold as people
wondered about the survival of the franchise itself. ("Is James Bond dead?"
Entertainment Weekly actually asked.)
The franchise-runners were shaken--while the 50th anniversary of the Bond series was coming up fast. And so they
made the most of it, making of
Skyfall a 50th anniversary movie in an even bigger way than they
made of the Easter egg hunt that was the 40th anniversary movie, Die Another Day. They made a big deal about evocations of Bond's past--shifting away from Bond as practically a dude who came "from the street" to go by what Vesper Lynd said in the 2006 film to making him a Scottish blueblood with baggage about his past, and more baggage from the "family dynamics" of the present. ("This time, it's personal.") They brought back the machine gun-packing Aston Martin from the '60s-era films that one would have previously thought simply did not exist in this timeline. And they had the film run with a latterday version of Q and Moneypenny and even an M who is not Sir Miles Messervy, but is at least Miles Messervy-ish, so that as the film closes the office, at least, looks a little more like the one we remember.
Basically they had gone from "Didn't you just hate that?" to "Didn't you just love that?" And if your answer was "No," their answer was "Shut up, of course you did!"
All this is inconsistent, incoherent, insulting to the intelligence--and therefore, I would think, risky. And even where the audience was accepting of the manipulation I would think such comparative minutiae would, at most, matter more to the hardcore fans of the series, not the broad moviegoing public that watches the movies casually, especially the younger members with less memory of the older films, who probably would not know Geoffrey Keen from Robert Brown from Bernard Lee (especially given how, I think,
people actually watch action movies). Still, it got people talking, brought the new film a lot of positive press--and when it hit theaters, for whatever reason (correlation is not causation, but all the same, the correlation is pretty striking), the movie
overperformed, and massively. The prior two Bond films had made about $600 million each globally--
Skyfall over $1.1 billion, which is to say almost as much as the prior two films combined. Indeed, averaging the grosses of the other three pre-pandemic films, or even those three films with
No Time to Die, and getting an average gross for a Bond film of about $900 million (adjusted for April 2023 prices), one sees
Skyfall's gross approaching an astonishing $1.5 billion instead--suggestive of an overperformance of 50-70 percent.
Selected James Bond Films, 2006-2021 (Current and Consumer Price Index-Adjusted April 2023 U.S. Dollars, Adjusted Figures in Parentheses) Casino Royale (2006)--Worldwide--$606 Million ($911 Million); North America-$167 Million ($252 Million)
Quantum of Solace (2008)--Worldwide--$590 Million ($830 Million); North America--$168 Million ($237 Million)
Skyfall (2012)--Worldwide--$1.11 Billion ($1.46 Billion); North America--$304 Million ($402 Million)
Spectre (2015)--Worldwide--$881 Million ($1.13 Billion); North America--$200 Million ($256 Million)
No Time to Die (2021)--Worldwide--$774 Million ($865 Million); North America--$161 Million ($180 Million)
Unsurprisingly the franchise-runners stuck with the nostalgic approach, having 007 (once more) battle Ernst Stavro Blofeld and his SPECTRE organization in the sequel. As the numbers cited above indicate,
Spectre was not as successful as
Skyfall--but got a boost coming right after that film, and perhaps, from its evocation of 007 Past.
Right now the DCEU seems to be following a similar trajectory. When Warner Bros. put out
Man of Steel, and still more, revealed the developing outlines of the DCEU in
Superman vs. Batman: Dawn of Justice, there seemed no interest on its part in the earlier incarnations of the characters whatsoever. The whole idea was establishing the
new universe, without audiences being distracted, or encouraged to draw comparisons that might be unfavorable, perhaps the more in as they went in a controversy-stoking direction (Ben Affleck is probably no one's favorite Batman--and whatever the claqueurs say a lot of people were probably not thrilled with
the fascist wacko incarnation of the character he was given to play that time around); and frankly, because the stakes seemed very high, Warner hoping that this would be its very own equivalent of the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
Of course, it did not all go as planned, by a long shot, the DCEU never approaching Marvel's fecundity with films, with those films it did get to put out there failing to achieve its billion dollar hit-regularizing success.
Indeed, Warner decided to give these reboots . . . yet another reboot (because studios no longer give up on franchises, or even let them lie fallow, they rush to reboot them because in this day and age nothing is more repugnant to a Hollywood Suit than a New Idea).
Prior to this all becoming official the struggling DCEU Universe's runners, like the runners of the Bond franchise, started seeing nostalgia less as a threat to their new wares and more as a prop to them. Thus did the decision to have Michael Keaton play Bruce Wayne/Batman as part of the last DCEU films, a
Skyfall-like evocation of franchise past to aid it in the present. Indeed, such nostalgic evocation seems to be the best thing
The Flash has going for it, just as it was the best thing
Skyfall had going for it, as the press buzzes over it.
Again, this seems to me something more relevant to fans than the broader audience. It also seems more relevant to American fans than their foreign counterparts--for whom there may be no nostalgia to exploit, with the result that the gesture will fall flat. (Consider how the deeply nostalgia-dependent effort to sell Star Wars in China, which missed out on the original release of the trilogy,
fell flat in another reminder of Disney's inability to understand and market its own product--"smartest guys in the room" indeed.) This is all the more the case given that, in contrast with the longstanding, vast, global audience for the Bond films there is probably less nostalgia for anything so specific as, say, the Tim Burton Batman films. Still, this is a possible source of surprises here--and if it (or anything else) ends up working in favor of
The Flash becoming a blockbuster, expect the entertainment press to get more bullish still in its predictions about what the movie will make in its opening weekend.
May 27, 2023
Is
The Flash Already Looking Like a Flop? (An Update on the Projected Opening Weekend Gross for DCEU's
The Flash)
A little over a week ago
Boxoffice Pro reported that, based on its tracking, the upcoming DC Extended Universe (DCEU) film
The Flash (due out June 16) was
headed for a $115-$140 million domestic gross on its opening weekend.
Yesterday, when the publication
released its next long-range tracking forecast it appeared the range had been revised downward. The top end of the range has not shifted by much--down only to $135 million--but the forecasters shifted the bottom end of the range downward by a rough
quarter ($30 million), to a "mere" $85 million.
The revision predictably extends to the film's overall run, with the bottom end of the range falling from $280 million to $208 million (even as the high end of the range slipped only slightly, from $375 to $362 million).
In short, the floor fell dramatically.
Meanwhile
The Hollywood Reporter has reported that the movie
could now be expected to take in just $70 million on opening weekend.
This is far from consistent with the media's recent bullishness about the movie--and it would seem to indicate that the press is a lot more excited about the movie than he public is, its breathless hyping of the movie failing to catch on.
Of course, one may imagine that the weak debut will be followed by a positive reaction, and more robust ticket sales, in the following weeks. After all, good holds have partially saved Guardians of the Galaxy 3 from the fate some feared just a little while ago. Still, it is not a good sign, and I find myself looking again at the prediction I made in response to the first
Boxoffice Pro projection, suggesting $700-$850 million as the plausible range for the film's global gross. If the movie opens to $70 million, if it does better than that but fails to interest the broader audience that stayed home opening weekend, we might see the movie fall far short of the $200 million
Boxoffice Pro over its domestic run. Should the movie, like
Aquaman, make 70 percent of its money overseas, that would leave it well short of the $700 million mark, while if it merely matched its domestic take internationally it might even end up under $400 million.
This would mean that the highly touted "best superhero movie ever" (a very, very big claim to make in superhero-saturated 2023) would make Ant-Man 3 look like a winner by comparison.
The result is that the film's trajectory in the weeks ahead will be interesting--though hopefully not more interesting than the movie itself (in which case this movie really will be in trouble).
May 28, 2023
The Flash, The Claqueurs of the Media, and the Audience's Response
The latest reports indicate that, even as the media has turned very bullish on the chances of
The Flash at the box office, the evidences of the public's interest in the film remain weak--by summer blockbuster standards, at least. This movie starring a member of the Justice League's old core that is being touted as
one of the greatest superhero movies ever--if not the
absolute greatest superhero movie ever--may be looking at an opening weekend in the mere $70 million range, just
half of what might have been hoped for just a short time earlier.
Why such a disconnect?
One possibility worth considering is that if the
last three years have been hard on Marvel, they have been much harder still on Marvel's consistently much less successful rival, the DC Extended Universe, which was in nowhere near so strong a position to endure the disappointment, with their respective positions in the spring of 2023 showing it, when each had a movie out--
Ant-Man 3, and Shazam 2. There was much hand-wringing over Ant-Man 3
failing to break the half-billion dollar barrier. By contrast Shazam 2's
global take stands at $133 million at last report--the DCEU's flop making
less than a third (indeed, not much more than a
quarter) what Marvel's apparent disaster did.
I might add that, while Guardians of the Galaxy 3's relatively decent legs have had attitudes toward the film's performance considerably more positive recently, the reality remains a movie that had a weak opening weekend, and will end up with a good deal less money than its predecessors when we think in real terms rather than just inflated dollars--continuing, if in lesser degree than some of its predecessors, the
downward trend in the take of Marvel sequels relative to the preceding installments in their series'.
While the DCEU's less prolific character leaves us with less basis for making such judgments, it does not seem unreasonable to think its movies are also suffering in the same way--and that this would not implausibly be more severe in the case of the weaker franchise. Consider the worst installment-to-installment performance the Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU) has seen in the post-pandemic period--Black Panther 2, which saw its real-terms global box office gross drop by about half as compared with the original (from over $1.6 billion to $859 million in November 2022 dollars). One may add that this at least partly reflected the extremely high domestic gross of 2018's
Black Panther ($700 million, it beat out even Avengers 3 because of the unrepeatable event the first movie had been made out to be), and the
loss of the star of the first film.
By contrast Shazam 2 fell
70 percent from a much lower height (the original's take about $430 million in early 2023 dollars).
Moreover
The Flash has no shortage of headwinds against it even without any such trend as that. Popularity-wise the character is no Batman--and even his movie fell short of $800 million last year (notably, in spite of the media also being bullish on that one). Meanwhile the current Flash movie is, in relation to its associated universe, not part of a build-up to something bigger and better (of the kind that worked so well for Marvel up through Phase Three), but the equivalent of a previously unaired episode of a canceled TV show being "burned off." In contrast with the usual expectations the star is not out promoting the film (
we are actually hearing from Michael Shannon instead, to go by what I have seen in the press), diminishing that boost, precisely because Ezra Miller's profile is these days rather low in light of personal scandal (itself, perhaps, off-putting to audiences).
It may also the case that the DCEU's playing the "nostalgia card" is unlikely to work so well as the franchise-runners think. (What worked for James Bond will not necessarily work here--any more than the DCEU was able to replicate the MCU's success.)
Does that entirely rule out the movie's making $850 million as I recently thought not entirely outside the realm of the possible? No. But I find myself thinking a good deal more about the floor on the film's gross, which seems to me to be falling, and
hard. Yesterday I speculated about a scenario in which (assuming the $70 million opening, ordinary legs, and not much more interest abroad than domestically) the movie ends up with under $400 million--or as little as $350 million. Right now the movie's doing no better than that would not be a very great shock--while even a good deal better than that would seem to me to still be a reminder that, indispensable as the claqueurs of the media may (sadly) be in what one might call the
"theater of theater" for making a movie a hit, their powers have limits. And those limits may be far short of what is needed to get moviegoers excited enough about the movie DCEU will have coming to a theater near you in June to make it the first-rank hit the studio so clearly needs.
June 2, 2023
The Prospects of
The Flash Get Grimmer . . . Again
Last week we heard a great deal about how
Boxoffice Pro's forecasts for
The Flash (and
Elemental) underwent some downgrading.
After that--and with the disappointing prediction for Indiana Jones (a
Solo-like performance is well within the range of their expectations) one could easily miss that they revised the film's prospects again, and not upwards. Where last week the "floor" for the film's projected performance of
The Flash dropped significantly, now the same has happened with the ceiling too, this falling from $362 million last week to $308 million now--continued erosion amounting to a near one-fifth drop in the two weeks since the first ($375 million) forecast.
The movie's prospects could recover in the next two weeks--though I do not see how. By contrast I can very easily picture interest in the movie continuing to erode, in the process turning the highly touted "best superhero film ever made" into another failure, and reminding us all that Disney's executives have no monopoly on whatever fashionable corporate buzzword refers to the
"skill set" of making for financially ruinous flops.
June 9, 2023
The Flash: One Week to Go Before it Hits Theaters--as its Box Office Gross Forecast Keeps on Falling
Not too long ago the hype for
The Flash was extreme in what was truly a grand display of the operation of the entertainment press in full claqueur mode.
One may have wondered, however, whether the public was actually responding to all of the claquing on the movie's behalf.
The early box office tracking suggested that they did not. Still, the $280-$375 million
Boxoffice Pro predicted as the film's final gross back in the middle of May, while not earth-shattering, at least looked respectable by the standards of a DC Extended Universe (DCEU) "burning off its final episodes."
And things could get better. After all, the critics might get behind the film, and help push it back on the road to box office glory.
Alas, things didn't get better, the projection slipping pretty quickly in the following weeks, and, in contrast with what might have been expected from the breathless hype of earlier, the critics
not coming to the movie's rescue. Getting their say
in recent days the Rotten Tomatoes score for the film stands at 72 percent--not exactly an overwhelming vote of confidence from those folks paid to "rate movies from good to excellent," with
"good" what the critics rate movies when they don't like them.
Perhaps unsurprisingly the
Boxoffice Pro forecast made one week before the film's release, with the range of the film's overall run now down to $176-$282 million, works out to the floor
and ceiling for the film's run in North America alone having fallen by
$100 million in a mere three weeks, over a quarter of the take discussed just three weeks ago that some already regarded as a disappointment.
Putting this into terms of other movies, the film's
doing well would, far from making it the crowning glory of the DCEU and the Epoch of Superhero Films in which we live that the hype promised, have it doing just a little bit better than Ant-Man 2 (about $260 million in April 2023 dollars), while at the low end its backers would be left
wishing it only did as well as
Ant-Man 3 (its $214 million standing about a fifth higher than the floor now predicted for the movie).
Going by what is said about the film itself, rather than the tracking data, I expect that the movie will find
a fan base--relatively hardcore superhero movie fans responsive to the "trippy" premise, the brisk and action-packed narrative, the nostalgic button-pushing. But the general audience will be less impressed, finding it to be rather than the greatest of superhero films, at best an interesting one, or just passable, or maybe annoying and wearying, as the case might be--the kind of situation that leaves a movie a commercial disappointment, even as it, perhaps, wins a cult following over time.
June 14, 2023
The Flash: Reassessing the Box Office Predictions
Back in May
Boxoffice Pro predicted an opening weekend for
The Flash in the $115-$140 million range.
After all the hype about the movie's being the greatest superhero film ever people said "That's it? A measly $140 million is the best it can do?" (The figure, after all, would land it
only the 35th place on the "All Time Biggest" list--and this even before we consider inflation.)
As if that were not bad enough afterwards the figure kept falling. And hard. Just last week
Boxoffice Pro predicted an opening for The Flash in the $72-$105 million range--which meant that the "floor" anticipated for the film's debut back in May was higher than the new "ceiling" as its release approached.
Now the floor has fallen again as even the already much-lowered ceiling has receded out of sight.
Boxoffice Pro's prediction for the film's opening weekend is not $105 million, or the circa $90 million that would have been the middle of last week's predicted range, or even the $72 million that looked like a "worst-case" scenario, but
$69 million--not much better than half of what was thought possible less than four weeks ago.
It seems worth spelling out the (for the producers) disquieting implications. Specifically, even with fairly good legs the film, following such a debut, could easily fall short of the $200 million mark domestically that Guardians of the Galaxy 3 and
Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse each blew past in their first ten days--and strong legs are by no means guaranteed here, with something in the $170-$185 million or so range easier to foresee going by
Boxoffice Pro's apparent "multipliers." (Indeed, should the
response to the film look like Ant-Man 3's--or even that of the last DC superhero film, Shazam 2--$150 million might be beyond its reach.)
Consider, too, the global prospects for the film. DC's larger films have tended to make 50 to 70 percent of their money abroad, which would translate to $700 million looking as high as it will go, and a lower gross much more likely--especially when we remember that the high end of that range was
mainly a product of Aquaman doing very, very well in China.* The Flash movie
will have a China release, but there was never any guarantee that
The Flash would go above and beyond the way
Aquaman did (indeed, the nostalgia that is such a big selling point for the movie seems a much weaker draw there than
Aquaman's lavish undersea world), while Hollywood movies are simply picking up less in that market these days. (Indeed, Ant-Man 3's box office numbers would not have been nearly so bad were it not for an
especially severe shortfall at the Chinese box office.) Therefore 60 percent seems a more plausible high.
Should the movie make $200 million domestically and 60 percent of its money abroad it would end up with a half billion dollar take. Should it make more like $170 million domestically, and just match that abroad, it could end up south of $350 million global--about what the
first Shazam movie made at
pre-pandemic prices. The result is that, building in a decent (+/- $50 million) margin of error I am thinking of $300-$550 million as the plausible range for the film's performance. By contrast the $700-$850 million I was prepared to consider a month ago on the basis of prior DC films and the stronger numbers then provided would seem to require a good part of the public to decide the film really is "the greatest superhero film of all time" and make it a Top Gun 2-like phenomenon.
I don't think very many people are holding their breaths for that now.
* With $210 million in the till due to a tripling of the opening weekend's gross, and 70 percent made abroad, one gets $490 million internationally, for a global total of $700 million.
June 18, 2023
The Flash's Opening Weekend Box Office Gross: How Did it Do?
In its first three days in domestic release
The Flash has taken in $55 million.
Considering this, remember that
Boxoffice Pro's projection just this past week was that it would make $69 million--almost a quarter more than what it actually did make--and that the $69 million figure was way down from its initial projection of $115-$140 million a month ago, which was itself received as a significant disappointment in the wake of some very loud claquing on the film's behalf, given that more than that had been expected.
So basically the movie's gross was less than half of what was projected in a worst-case scenario a month ago that was considered a major letdown.
Consider also what this means. Simply to get up to the $300 million mark the movie would need the legs of a Top Gun 2--which are probably not to be had by any movie this summer given the season's sheer crowdedness. Even with decent legs it might not break $150 million.
The film pulled in a little more abroad, it seems, with the domestic/international gross at the end of the Friday-to-Sunday period expected to be along the lines of 46/54 percent going by Box Office Mojo's data. Still, where even restrained, pre-claquing expectations had projected some $700 million for the film at the global box office (a figure I thought plausible enough) the movie's making so much as $400 million looks a long way off.
The result is that what was touted as the "greatest superhero film ever made" makes
Ant-Man 3 look like a hit by comparison. (That one made almost $215 million domestic, and $476 million global.)
All this being the case I would say that I expect
The Flash to be prominent in
Deadline's list of the year's biggest "box office bombs"--but, alas, know it will have a lot of competition. There is Indiana Jones 5, which seems to be on track to be another
Solo--or worse. And, later this year, there is the bad buzz-plagued conclusion to this phase in the DCEU's existence,
Aquaman 2 which seems unlikely to benefit from the preceding DCEU film failing so badly. Indeed, this is shaping up to be one exceptional year for megaflops--so much so that by year's end we may, with this coming on top of Hollywood's other troubles, see its commitment to its current way of doing things more sorely tested than at any time since the New Hollywood era.
June 28, 2023
The Flash's Second Weekend Box Office Gross: Worse Than Ant-Man 3, Again
The opening weekend gross of the much-hyped DCEU film
The Flash is a now notorious disappointment. Where a month earlier the projection that it would make no more than a "mere" $140 million in its opening weekend was received with dismay it actually picked up just $55 million in its first three days in release--just two-fifths of that "disappointing" figure.
Meanwhile it seems there were few expectations that the film would prove to have the kind of legs that would ameliorate the disappointment. Before the weekend
Boxoffice Pro projected the film's seeing a severe 69 percent weekend-to-weekend drop. The reality was actually worse--73 percent, which left the film with a mere $15 million added and $87.5 million grossed overall (as against the $90 million+
Boxoffice Pro expected).
By contrast Ant-Man 3, which had a $106 million take in its first three days, saw a drop of just 70 percent (leaving it with $32 million added in the second weekend for a total of $167 million). The result is that
The Flash not only opened with about half of what Ant-Man 3 did, but is also fading faster. Given that Ant-Man 3 did not do much more than double its opening weekend take over the course of its run (finishing up with $214.5 million),
The Flash may be thought likely to do no better. The result would be the film's finishing with not just under $150 million over the entire run, but perhaps even under $110 million--less than what Ant-Man 3 made over the long holiday weekend of its release, and what, in view of the hype about
The Flash, would have been regarded as, again, a disappointing opening weekend (never mind overall run). Meanwhile there is little sign of extraordinary success for the film in the international market. Thus far the film, which came out or had come out in all the major overseas markets (the big Asian and European markets--China, Japan, South Korea, Britain, France, Germany, Italy, etc.) by the week that it did in the U.S., has made 58.5 percent of its income abroad (taking in $123 million internationally). Should that remain the case with the movie having pulled in $110 million domestically, not just the $400 million mark, but even the $300 million mark, will be beyond it. The result is that the movie, which has for weeks seemed likely to lose money for its studio, is likely to leave that much bigger a hole in their books--
quite plausibly in the vicinity of $150 million or more even after taking in revenue from video, TV, streaming to go by the pattern seen in recent years.**
* Ant-Man 3's $167 million after ten days worked out to 78 percent of its total gross. Should
The Flash (which, again, is fading faster) do no better, it will have $112 million at the end of its run.
** Assume, given the reported $200 million budget, final outlays of $400-$600 million on production, distribution and promotion. With $270 million grossed globally and rentals equal to half of that the movie would end up with $130 million or so banked, while perhaps matching this from the other, later revenue streams--working out to $250 million taken in a pessimistic scenario, against the bigger outlays.
July 2, 2023
How Much Money Will
The Flash Lose?
In a little over a month the media has gone from claquing for
The Flash as the "greatest superhero movie ever" to accepting that it is a flop of historic proportions (reflected in its, in its third weekend, having just $99 million collected in North America, less than might have been hoped for in its first two days of release).
Now the question seems to be just how much money will be lost on this proposition.
Well,
the formula is familiar enough.
Consider the reported budget--something on the order of $200 million. Double and triple that to get the range of the final bill for production, distribution, promotion.
You get $400 million to $600 million this way.
Now consider what the film seems likely to make at the box office. The prospect of $400 million seems to be receding in the distance, even $300 million. I personally can see it (given its possibly finishing around $110 million domestically and the current 40/60 domestic/international split) topping out somewhere around $275 million. Assume a fairly typical 48 percent goes in the till and you have $130 million or so in worldwide theatrical rentals.
Now what about home entertainment, etc.?
Big movies usually make somewhat less here than they do from theatrical revenues. Even 90 percent (which would work out to just under $120 million) is high. But given how poorly this one did at the box office it may make relatively more than usual there. Assume that it matches its theatrical take from those other sources. Or even does better--that it betters that by 50 percent (the way some small movies do).
You end up with maybe $250 million, at best something in the neighborhood of $300 million.
Against that you have the outlay of $400 million+ (and maybe much more).
The result is that even if the movie is a spectacular home entertainment performer (relative to its theatrical income) it will work out to a nine figure loss for the studio--$100 million, maybe $200 million. I would not even be shocked by a $300 million loss on this one movie.
This would guarantee it the top spot in Deadline's "biggest box office bombs" competition in just about any year but this one.
September 25, 2023
The Flash's Rotten Tomatoes Scores
In a year in which big-budget franchise action films kept crashing and burning the flopping of
The Flash still stands out as an extreme case. The movie made a mere $108 million in its entire North American run (when for such a highly anticipated movie $108 million would have been regarded as a disappointing
opening weekend), and not much more overseas--a mere $160 million that left it with just under $269 million in total. Especially given the film's hefty price tag--which in yet another revelation of a major film's budget being considerably larger than was originally announced, seems to have been in the $300 million range--the loss to the studio may end up in the range of several hundred million.
Interestingly, this was in spite of the film apparently not being hated. The critics' score was 63 percent, the audience score 83 percent--not spectacular, but other films with much, much worse have done much, much better, and there is room to think that the scores would have been higher had it not been for the unhinged overhyping of the movie as the greatest superhero film ever made at a moment when the standard is extremely high, the audience showing signs of becoming jaded. (Indeed, I think there is still room for the movie, given its oddities, to become a cult success.)
All of that seems to underline just how much the film market may be changing--and, much as they are evidently resisting it,
forcing change on the Hollywood system of a kind not seen in a half century.
September 25, 2023
"How Much Money Did The Flash Lose?" Again (The Budget Was Even Bigger Than We Heard)
These days we seem to be constantly hearing that some big-budget movie actually cost a lot more than was reported. Most of the stories I am aware of have had to do with
the Marvel Cinematic Universe but this seems to have happened with
The Flash as well--the circa $200 million movie actually a $
300 million movie.
Given that production budgets
tend to represent one-half to one-third of a studio's outlay on a big movie (there are also distribution, promotion, participations and residuals, interest) one may guess from this a total outlay on the movie of $600-$900 million.
As it happened the movie grossed about $269 million worldwide, which one might guess worked out to not much more than $130 million in theatrical rentals. It tends to be the case that big movies like these make the equivalent of two-thirds of their rentals from those post-theatrical distribution methods, like streaming and TV, but given how weak the theatrical gross was this time one could picture the movie making relatively more. So I could see the movie making $250 million when those proceeds are in--while if the theatrical flop becomes a surprise hit here, we might think $300 million.
$600 million in expenses minus $300 million in revenues is . . . still a loss of $300 million.
And $900 million minus $300 million is . . .
Well, you get the picture. Basically, this movie might, even with those later revenues counted in, easily put a $300 million hole in its backer's budgets, and possibly much more--a half billion or more not out of the question. Such is the insane gamble that a film like this has become these days . . . and time and again this year the studios are losing. Still, to go by the remarks of David Zaslav, who--in
a display of the surreal disconnect between what studio executives "think" and what EVERYONE ELSE ON EARTH think, claimed that Warner Bros. franchises like the world of DC Comics, Harry Potter and the Lord of the Rings are "underused"--I do not see the studios changing course very readily.
May 11, 2024
Is
The Flash Really the Biggest Box Office Flop of 2023?
Previously considering the numbers
Deadline presented in the course of its "Most Valuable Blockbusters" tournament I mentioned that I was surprised that the figures for the film that was ranked the biggest money-loser of the year, Captain Marvel 2 (aka
The Marvels), did not include the
reported subsidy that cut the net production cost from $270 million+ to $220 million.
I also noticed that the budget for
The Flash last year was reported as
over $200 million, and then $300 million later, in a tone of scandal.
Had
Deadline gone with the net production cost of $220 million for Captain Marvel 2 they would have shaved $50 million off the loss--and had they gone with the $300 million figure for
The Flash's production budget they would have added an extra $100 million to its loss. The result of these two changes would have been to lower the loss on Captain Marvel 2 from $237 million to $187 million--and raise the loss on
The Flash from $155 million to $255 million. The number would still be terrible for Captain Marvel 2, but even worse than it is now for
The Flash, with the result the two movies still being at the top of the "biggest" flops list, but switching places to make
The Flash #1 in this unenviable category (all as a fuller accounting could easily translate to an even worse picture for
The Flash).
May 11, 2024
How Much Money Did
The Flash Really Lose?
Back in June 2023 when the promised "greatest superhero movie ever!" instead crashed and burned at the box office, the reports were that the lousy gross for
The Flash meant the movie possibly losing the studio $200 million.
However, that was back when people thought the production budget was in the vicinity of $200 million.
A little while later we were told that it was $300 million--implying the possibility of much more than $200 million being lost.
Yet, even as the budget appeared larger than first reported,
Deadline reported a mere $155 million studio loss on the film during its "Most Valuable Blockbusters" tournament.
Odd, isn't it?
Well, when you take a closer look at the numbers you see that
Deadline went with the $200 million production budget figure, not what we heard later.
At the same time,
where in June we heard the marketing campaign was running $150 million,
Deadline claims just $120 million were spent on prints and ads.
All of this allows the number to make sense--all as one could find still more room for it to do so if these were gross rather than net figures (if subsidies and the like offered offsets to the numbers then being thrown about).
However, if we go with those higher numbers things move in the other direction. A $300 million production budget, a $150 million marketing campaign, work out to an addition of $130 million+ in extra expenses. Tacked onto the $155 million loss
Deadline reported, in fact, the loss nearly doubles, approaching $300 million.
It may well be that the lower numbers
Deadline used are the correct ones. Still, given what we previously heard, doubt seems far from implausible here--and I would not be shocked by later revelations calling the
Deadline numbers into question.
January 25, 2025
Andy Muschietti Gets in his Two Cents on
The Flash's Failure
Apparently the press is still talking about the colossal failure of Andy Muschietti's DC superhero film
The Flash.
The director of the movie,
explaining the matter in Hollywood insider terms in a story from Variety, talked about
The Flash not being the "four quadrant movie" that supposedly any movie financed at that level has to be in order to turn a profit.
Getting a little more substantive than this tossing about of buzzwords he remarked "that a lot of people just don’t care about the Flash as a character."
Of course, anyone could have told Mr. Muschietti
that--and indeed, before the breathless hyping of the movie as "the greatest superhero movie ever made" completely confused things back in the spring of 2023 the more astute box office analysts had less buoyant expectations for the film than they would have for, for example, a Batman or Superman film. (Thus did the comparatively optimistic folks at
Screen Rant who
thought Ant-Man 3 would be a billion-dollar hit, Guardians of the Galaxy do better and The Marvels fall just short of a billion expected just $700 million for The Flash.)
However, this mattered the more for a host of reasons Mr. Muschietti did
not raise. Yes, there is the "Ezra Miller problem," and yes, there is the way the "greatest superhero movie ever made" hype probably backfired, but there are also the more structural matters--not least the audience's longtime lukewarmness toward the DC Extended Universe, all as
The Flash had the misfortune of hitting theaters in a much tighter market than before (again,
moviegoing down by a third relative to the pre-pandemic period) in which even more promising material was underperforming badly (as those three Marvel Cinematic Universe films did relative to the expectations for them), with
the reality of superhero fatigue not helping.
Of course, just as Mr. Muschietti did not raise these aspects of the issue, neither did the writers at
Variety, nor those other media outlets retailing the remarks--who as
courtiers to the industry's kings cannot be expected to be very attentive to these inconvenient facts.